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Nationalities And Other Details

Thu 29 January 2009 Leave a comment Go to comments

We’ve become a very international bunch.  Like it’s been said before, football is a universal language, and FIOFAFI is open to everyone with the right attitude.

I’ve tried adding each individual’s nationality to the Participant List, based on what I know or belief.  Please check (by clicking on the link to the words “Participant List”) and let me know if I got any wrong.

While I’ve been at it, I’ve added, to the best of my knowledge or belief, the club each of us supports.  It includes information I have from other content on the blog and from speaking to people. If I haven’t got yours down (or I’ve gotten yours wrong), let me know which club you support.  It can be an S. League club even. 🙂

I’ve also added a column for “Occupation”.  If you let me know your occupation, I’ll add it, but it is entirely optional.

While you’re at it, check your other details as well.

Categories: Participation
  1. Boris
    Fri 30 January 2009 at 8:39 am

    Heh. Quite a number of Manchester United supporters.

  2. rajiv
    Fri 30 January 2009 at 8:49 am

    Especially among the Singaporeans and Indian nationals. 🙂

  3. Damian
    Fri 30 January 2009 at 10:56 am

    Hmmm…oldest player is Simon – 52 and youngest Lewis – 17. Quite a good range in between hehe.

  4. rajseran
    Fri 30 January 2009 at 11:01 am

    INDIAN NATIONALS FOR MANCHESTER UNITED , that is something new to me . Is that gotta to do with INdians having HAIRY MAN CHEST and are all UNITED 🙂

  5. rajiv
    Fri 30 January 2009 at 11:06 am

    Damian, everyone for whom the last column is blank (which includes our oldest players) hasn’t played since 1 September 2008 or introduced someone who’s played since 1 September 2008, and if that doesn’t change by the end of next month, their names will be removed from the list.

    That will narrow our age range a bit, but probably push up our median and average age significantly.

  6. Boris
    Mon 2 February 2009 at 9:28 am

    I am 86 born not 87. 🙂 (Tiger & Lion)

  7. rajiv
    Mon 2 February 2009 at 9:46 am

    Ok Boris, it’s been corrected.

  8. AndyM
    Mon 2 February 2009 at 11:17 am

    Jiv, you could be slightly more acurate and use English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish rather than British

  9. Boris
    Mon 2 February 2009 at 11:32 am


  10. rajiv
    Mon 2 February 2009 at 4:12 pm

    Andy, in a strictly legal and political sense, there is only British nationality. In that sense, Irish nationality belongs to the Republic of Ireland. I believe Cahir is Irish in this sense.

    Of course, in a looser, historical, sociological or ethnic sense, many British, Scottish and Welsh peoples, and certain parts of the population in Northern Ireland, see themselves as separate nations.

    Insofar as England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have separate international teams, I had discussions about this on another football forum last year:

    http://www.nlpl.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=120460;search_string=nation;guest=10114789#120460, re-produced here; and

    http://www.nlpl.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=119159;search_string=nation;guest=10114789#119159, re-produced here.

    As far as our participants are concerned, I am in any event going by the strict legal and political meaning of “nationality”. If any of our British participants wish to be identified as English, Welsh, Scottish or from Northern Ireland, I will add that identity in brackets under the “Nationality” column.

  11. AndyM
    Mon 2 February 2009 at 4:42 pm

    an interesting one! according to the below you can a British Citizen but not a national? Anyway i thought it was interesting to see that Wales in a principality! back to work now 🙂
    I’m a bit confused by the replies you got. There is NO such thing as a “British national”. There IS such a thing as a British citizen. Britain is made up of 4 nations (actually just 2, and Wales & N. Ireland are technically a Principality and a province respectively).
    My nationality is English. My citizenship is British and (also now) European. Why does the UK passport not answer the question when it asks “nationality”? It is the only passport I know that doesn’t answer the question – it states my citizenship instead. If it’s going to do that, why not write “European citizen”? After all, the UK and EU are both just political unions. My country remains England and my nationality, by fact, certainly does too. Whatwever the passport office may say. he should read the book given to new immegrants here, which sets this out very clearly.
    Chris | 07.07.08 – 12:39 pm | #

  12. rajiv
    Tue 3 February 2009 at 6:18 am

    “Citizenship” and “nationality” are by and large synonymous.

    I imagine that the UK passport office avoids the word “nationality” for British citizens as there are a lot of British people who see their nationality principally as English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish.

    On the other hand, it allows other people to say things like above. 🙂

    I’ve also done a breakdown of participants by nationality, and put it together with the age profile, so it’s now the “Age & Nationality Profiles” page.

  13. rajiv
    Wed 4 February 2009 at 7:37 am

    Wade informed me after the session last night that he was a Manchester United fan.

    Of the current top six in England, no Chelsea fans have been identified so far.

  14. Manuel @ STIR SHIT.COM
    Wed 4 February 2009 at 9:27 am

    Chris maybe- Chelsea fan? i thot i saw him wear a Chelsea shorts.. or it may just have been a cheap sale pair of shorts.. Eg. i have a Inter Milan jersey but i bot that cos it was just on sale.. 😛

  15. Boris
    Wed 4 February 2009 at 9:34 am

    Yea I saw Chris wearing the Chelsea jersey. Not sure if he is a fan though.

  16. Boris
    Wed 4 February 2009 at 9:52 am

    Sorry I meant Luke.. Not Chris 😛

  17. Wed 4 February 2009 at 12:14 pm

    On behalf of everyone here at FIOFAFI, I would like to extend our deepest, most heartfelt sympathies to our colleague Kumar.

    He recently got hitched.

    May he wear his * with pride.

  18. Reza
    Wed 4 February 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Some examples of Wales being a principality – the Prince of Wales, the England & Wales cricket team and the laws of England & Wales.

  19. Wed 4 February 2009 at 1:08 pm

    The notion of nationality and citizenship as largely synonymous, while carrying its own complexities, is a peculiarly modern view. It was not always thus. Ernst Kantorowicz’s The King’s Two Bodies
    is a magisterial attempt to think it.

  20. rajiv
    Wed 4 February 2009 at 4:09 pm

    My own view:

    • “Nationhood” is an attempt to give people an identity, with or without a legal-political framework or construct. That’s why it’s possible to speak of Native American nations, stateless nations, multinational states or even The Nation of Islam. See also “Declaration on the Rights of Persons Belonging to National or Ethnic, Religious and Linguistic Minorities”.

    • As the notion of nation-states and the fiction of the social contract developed in 17th century Europe and America (Locke, Rousseau etc), the concept of “citizenship” provided the legal-political construct.

    • Concepts such as a “kingdom”, “principality”, “republic” etc are the forms by which states are governed. To compare the form of government with nationhood or citizenship is not comparing like with like.

    In its modern usage, “nationality” is largely synonymous with “citizenship”. My own view is that the other meaning attributable to “nation” is more accurately conveyed by “nationhood” or “national identity”.

    Be that as it may, I’m sticking with “Nationality” in the Participant List. 🙂

  21. rajiv
    Thu 5 February 2009 at 8:10 am

    Luke e-mailed me yesterday afternoon to say:

    Just for the record, I am a hardcore Chelsea fan ….

    I invited him to add a comment here, but he hasn’t yet, so I’ve done it for him!

  22. Thu 5 February 2009 at 11:10 am

    How hardcore can a Southern softie be?

  23. yaseen
    Thu 5 February 2009 at 11:17 am

    I guess it softened as the Title hopes for chelsea fades… GLORY GLORY UNITED…

  24. rajiv
    Fri 6 February 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Singapore was founded on 6 February 1819. The agreement with the Sultan of Johor granting the British East India Company the right to establish a trading post on Singapore was “ratified with a formal treaty signed on 6 February 1819, and modern Singapore was born”.

    The Munich air crash occurred on 6 February 1958.

    That might be the reason why there are so many Manchester United fans in Singapore, including amongst our participants.

  25. Fri 6 February 2009 at 1:34 pm

    this link is a l i t t l e tenuous, methinks.

  26. Reza
    Fri 6 February 2009 at 2:59 pm

    6 Feb is Bob Marley’s birthday!

  27. rajiv
    Fri 6 February 2009 at 3:13 pm

    I was looking for Singapore-related links Reza, like Manchester United!

  28. rajiv
    Tue 10 February 2009 at 8:36 am

    I procured the years of birth for the following at last night’s session:

    • Axel – 1970
    • Russell – 1978
    • Qaleel – 1985

    I’ve added the details to the Participant List and the Age Profile. It pulls our median age down from 36.5 to 36.

  29. rajiv
    Fri 13 February 2009 at 8:30 am

    Amaury, Jonathan and Tim all played for the first time this week, and I’ve added them to the Participant List.

    If they provide me with any of the other details listed in the Participant List, I’ll add those.

  30. rajiv
    Fri 13 February 2009 at 9:03 am

    Amaury, I had a mail delivery failure notice for your soton.ac.uk e-mail address. If you have another e-mail address, please send to me at fiofafi@totalworlds.com.


  31. rajiv
    Wed 18 February 2009 at 9:33 am

    Alan made his FIOFAFI debut last night, so I’ve added him to the Participant List.

    The Participation List has hit 100.

    As Geylang United are the club that FIOFAFI will be following in the current S. League season, I’ve named them as the club I follow on the Participant List.

  32. rajiv
    Wed 18 February 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Amaury has provided me with is details. I’ve updated the Age & Nationalities Profile.

    Our median age remains 36. Assuming Nicolas is Swiss, Amaury becomes our first French national.

  33. rajiv
    Sun 22 February 2009 at 3:53 pm

    I asked Joel yesterday, and he said he was a Manchester United fan.

    I’ve put Yaseen down as a Manchester United fan too (see comment 24 above).

    Tom, Yaseen, if you’d rather have it down as Woodlands Wellington, please let me know.

  34. rajiv
    Wed 25 February 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Alan is South African. Adam becomes our first participant identified as a Spurs fan.

  35. rajiv
    Fri 27 February 2009 at 7:31 am

    Neil and Julius H played last night, so I’ve added their details to the Participant List.

    For the first time, half the participants on the Participant List whose nationality I have are non-Singaporean.

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